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Rantbag for 03/18/02

Remember, if you have any rants, send them out to rantbag@TWNPNews.com. Your emails will be posted here within 1-5 days usually, depending on when enough rants are sent.
Also remember, you will not get any responses from these, if you want to ask a wrestling related question, please use our Mailbag/Q & A where your question will be answered, but within 1-2 weeks.

Here is the latest rantbag, this week TWNP asked its visitors "What did you think of WrestleMania X8?"

On with the rants

Sent in by Rachel

I stopped watching wrestling more than about a month ago, because somethings been missing. I guess I don't fall for the Flair thing. However, I heard the NWO was on so I happened to watch a little bit of Raw and I loved it when Hogan came out, [I used to watch WCW when I was real young and he's one of my faves]and then the rock. It was perhaps too long but, very different and interesting. I bought it, and I'd love to see them battle at Wrestlemania.

Sent in by Travis

I don't thing the angle went too far at all. It's nothing more brutal than what the WWF had DX doing back in the 90's or as in apropriate as the Hart Foundation/NOD race angle a few years back. What did go too far was the constant rehashing and mentioning of the event. A good portion of RAW was spent on replays or poor match comentary due to the announcers trying to sell Rocks injury. Over all I was very disappointed with the show and found myself wanting to switch channels from Nitro to RAW (oops, can't do that anymore)

Hell no, I don't think they went too far with the angle. WWF fans I think are more lenient towards heels, and they don't fear and hate them quite as much as the NWO was feared and hated in WCW. The WWF is trying to- right from the start- set them up as "the Ultimate Heels", and I think they did a damn good job of it.

The whoolw NWO ambulance thing was stupid before they hit it with the truck
it had its lights on and had chains around it after they hit it with the
truck no lights no chains come on and the ambulance had no name on it but the
second one had Bell ambulance on it just like the back board

Hell yeah i think they went over board! They could have killed the Rock. They should have stopped before the hammer in the back of the head(which he wasn't hit with metal part.it was the wooden handle).NWO IS 2 SUCKY!

I think it was great.
the WWF had to do something to get the fans to start watching again.

Hey BJ, I think last night was great. I like the Rock, but I think if you are going to do an angle you should go all out. I would like to see the NWO knock off each of the top superstars (ie. injure the Rock, have Stone Cold put in jail for awhile...). They would then use their power to run roughshod over the mid-carders. That would be cool to see some of the lessor used guys more. This would also give some of the other guys a chance to step up and make a name for themselves. Of course at some point down the road the superstars would come back though. What do you think?

I think it only went to far in the believability department. They should have called it good with the hammer to the back of the head. I could even go as far as them pulling the Rock out of the ambulance and beating him some more, but the semi was to much for even a die-hard wrestling fan to take. It's bad enough when people are getting "hit" with sledge hammers, but now this! Why not just have them run over the stretcher with a steam-roller or shoot The Rock with a shot-gun? They (the writers) over did it. Period.

It reminded me of the WCW days and why I quit watching WCW.
The Rock/Hogan in the ring segment was great, but the ambulance
segment was so bogus, I just turned the TV off and did not watch
the rest of the show. In reading the Internet report, I am glad I didn't

since the remaining matches seemed to suffer from the announcers
being more involved in selling the ambulance segment.
If the NWo does more talking than wrestling, it is a waste of time.

The entire ambulance smash scene of RAW was just far too over-the-top. I can
understand the Rock needing time off for the "SCORPION KING" promotional tour,
but this is just overly ridiculous. Yes, the nWo needed to get over as major
heels, but there are other ways. I mean, in the old days, the nWo would spear
people, head first, in the sides of trailers, beat on them with baseball bats,
or various other gang mentality attacks. Now, it was already stated that the
Rock sustained a concussion via the Undertaker on Smackdown about two weeks ago,
and that he reported as NOT 100% recovered at NO WAY OUT. So, with the hammaer
blow to the back of the Rock's head, they could say that he had a full relapse
of the concussion. That would convincing keep him off TV for at least two
weeks. Now, they wanted more from the nWo to really drive home the major heel
factor. They could've jumped the ambulance, pulled the Rock out and bashed him
up on the concrete or something. The WWF needed take 5 steps when 3 will do.
They think that it has to so greatly EXTREME for it to work right. I mean, it
actually hurt the rest of the show. No one was really into any match
COMPLETELY. Barely anyone paid any attention to the Godfather/Booker T match,
and the fan response wasn't at 100% for the Triple H/Angle match either. They
did take it too far.

It didn't even take 2 full shows for the whole NWO thing to become
completely like it was in the WCW. All you have
to do is substitute Austin for Goldberg and the Rock for Sting and they can
use the same script. Pathetic. If Vince
can't come up with newer, fresher ideas then I'm done watching. If I want
reruns I'll watch network TV.

my lord did they go to far?it was silly,silly i tell ya.it was the same ol
same nwo skit,didnt they do the same thing with a hummer.old wcw story
lines,way to much tv time wasted on them(hogan)running his mouth.all with no
ties to the real world.to few matches and the ones we got had nothing to do
with storyline.(RVD tagging w Edge why?)though it was a great match and i
for one would have love to see more of it and less of Hogan and the match
was lost with Ross going over and over what we just saw(wcw sh**)lets go
back to wwf and leave the old NWO/WCW crap in the can

I dont think it went to far its a show god dam it All it is ,is a hight speed
action show and if you dont like it you can go to hell because it it already
air and i hope we see more things like it go nWo and WWF

To tell you the truth, i think any angle that would make a person be thrown
in jail for at least a few years (lighting UT on fire, Rikishi running down
SC) are stupid and really show the ignorance of the people that watch
wrestling. If you believe it you are lame, and for those that dont, it is a
waste of good wrestling time, come on WWF lets at least keep the angles
somewhat "real"

I think we're all used to the theatrics of pro wrestling and I do my best as a parent to explain to my child that what they do is just a job. That the punches and kicks are just made to look real. Try explaining a simulated attempted murder!!!! Yeah, I think they went too far!
D from Canada.

It absolutely went too far.................not because I thought it was too
violent, but because it is so unreal it's not even believable in wrestling
terms. We are supposed to believe these guys (the NWO) are really trying to
kill Rocky, and then Hogan took off like they were scared someone would see
them, although the freakin camera was right there on them. Also, this spray
painting the backs crap is old news.......I thought it was stupid (a bunch of
grown men spray painting their victims, etc..) back when it was (way
overused) in the WCW. It looks like to me the same angles are being used by
the WWF that the WCW used (and in all honesty, the NWO angle was what made me
completely quit watching WCW and go to WWF completely). I hope this tired
ass angle doesn't last very long, but I'm afraid we are in for a
loooooooooooooong drawn out ordeal.

I think that this past RAW was better then No Way Out. I haven't seen
a
RAW this good in a long time. As for going to far everyone should know
and if they don't that the Rock was not in the Ambulance when it was
hit you have shows on tv that show car wreck's that are real so I
don't
think it went to far. But I'm sure some one will blame the WWF for
their kid running over an Ambulance with a big truck.

The ROCK/NWO segment probably did go to far, but it was
probably needed! What I mean is that the WWF needed some real drama
and a real story line because it is quite possible that JERICHO is the
worst champion ever. His angle sucks so bad that the WWF needs this
ROCK/NWO story line to carry Wrestlemania. Everyone knows they are
going to make TRIPLE H a champion even though he does not deserve it
(HE HAS NOT BEEN BACK LONG ENOUGH), what is sad about this is that him
and JERICHO do not even have a story line to work off of. Then Kurt
Angle and TRIPLE H had a few going but JERICHO holds the belts and his
feud is with AUSTIN who he seems scared of. So where does this leave
the fans watching boring PAY PER VIEWS like NO WAY OUY, which was real
boring with predictable matches. They should of let RVD lose to
GOLDUST create some real tension betweeen those two and honestly where
is KANE in all of this THE BIG RED machine no one can beat him but yet
he has no storyline!! The next best stroy line will be UNDERTAKER/ RIC
FLAIR which will probably work because they have some tension
brewing going into W18 it will probably go over good. LAST NOTE I
am a ROCK fan! I was hurt to see him go out like that, but it was
needed, a real story line, some real drama now what would be nice if
the NWO went after TRIPLE H next   NOW WE TALKING some good
wrestling

For the first time in quite awhile I was at the edge of my seat while
watching RAW. Anyone who believes that the NWO went too far must have
missed the NWO and their first run in WCW. I may not be a huge fan of
Hogan/Hall/Nash, but anyone must admit they do know the business and
they will bring in ratings for the WWF. I thought the whole angle was
great. For anyone who thought Hogan really was going to do this by
himself...SUCKERS

I think NWO and Rock angle was cool. The Stone Cold angle took to long and
Flair should got him out of jail and cost Kurt Angle to loss but the Kurt
Angle HHH was a good . and i would like to Flair and Undertaker
WrestieMania sould be good and Booker T look nice and when is he going get
his title push .

No it didn't go too far. It's about time to get something interesting
on the air. WWF programming has been stale for quite a while, so last
night was a welcomed change.

I think there is still to much talk in the begining.Let the people
wrestle not chat.NWO rules though and even if that ambulance thing was
all fake and all that is NWO style I just hope that the Genetic Freak
comes in to do more damage to the spoiled WWF wrestlers and show that
WCW was hardcore.WWF fans thats just a taste of the black and white can
do just wait to they start recruiting.That is just 2 SWEET.

I am not sure what your take is on the Raw we saw last night, but the group
of 10 I watched it with all agreed that we may have seen the best Monday
Night Raw in years. Watching Hogan and The Rock stand in the same ring
together was history in the making, and we're definately not finished yet.
WrestlemaniaX8 is sure to have one of the greatest matches of all time now
headlining the event. Myself, along with 4 others, have had tickets for 3
months now, and these next few weeks are going to be torture waiting for the
event. Never before has a Raw done so much to promote a future PPV.
Nothing was taken too far, in my opinion, not even the ambulance scene.
That was just classic nWo, and a way to heighten fan interest. Trust me, it
worked. You'll see a surge in fan interest and ratings leading up to the
big event on March 17th. It may be too soon to label Vince McMahon a
genius, but I think he's done it again with the re-emergance of the nWo.

No, the WWF didn't take the NWO / ambulance angle too far (they need a good excuse to get the Rock off for a while anyway). I found it quite exciting and reminiscient of the old WCW / NWO days. The only mistake the WWF made was when the segment aired. It should have been the grand finale. I can't be the only who noticed how dead the crowd was for the rest of the night (I swear I heard some pin drops during the Booker T / Godfather match). Maybe it was just way-more-over than they thought it would be. For the first time since they flopped the Invasion, I'm actually excited about wrestling again. Now if they would just sign Scott Steiner and Goldberg (maybe even Jarrett) I'd be happier than a pig in shit.

Did the NWO/Rock angle go too far? I don't think it
did. I think it was a good idea, if you consider that
in WCW the NWO was all about wreaking havoc, jumping
anybody at any time, using bats, pipes, shovels, etc.,
and having no mercy on anybody. This was just showing
that the NWO has not changed their methods, and they
are still "true to form". We were actually thinking, what
would have been "going too far" and I thought what if they
opened the ambulance doors and a pool of blood started
running out, or they showed some of the "people's guts"
being spilled, that would have been a little over the top.
Or, if when the 2nd ambulance came and took "what was
left" of the Rock away, if the 18 Wheeler would've came
out of nowhere and plowed into that too, that would have
been excessive, but I would have laughed my a** off
anyway. Know what WAS going too far though? JR crying,
boo hoo hooing about what happened to the Rock for about
the last hour and 1/2 of the show, and basically ignoring
what was going on in the ring, even if it was a really good
match. Man he gets annoying sometimes. In closing,
I'd like to say that Hogan looks so old now, that his face
looks like a leather suitcase-but regardless, the NWO is
ok with me because it's something we haven't seen in
a while and it definitely spices up things a little bit. Thanks.

my thoughts as raw as awhole is the nwo is going to sink wwf just like it
sank wcw. hogan, hall, and nash are 3 no talent bums with no wrestling skill
at all. vince is so stupid to bring them back as if he didn't know how lucky
he was to be rid of them when they first left.i am a 45 year old man that has
been watching wrestling for 39 years and that trio will probably turn me
against the best sports entertainment in the world.
no body want to see them for an hour of a 2 hour show. just wait , it wont be
long the ratings will drop and vince will realize his mistake. my opinion if
turnbuckle entertainment was on tv, i would see all the wrestling i would
want to see.

I thought RAW this week was the best episode the WWF
has put out in years. Did the Rock/NWO angle go to
far? Na...I dont think so. It was no worse than when
Stone Cold was run down with a car by Rikishi or When
Angle threatened to throw Stone Cold over a bridge but
instead threw him into a kiddie pool. The WWF needs to
establish the NWO as heels. This was a perfect way to
do so. NWO did just about every other thing heels can
do to make people hate them while they were in WCW.
Vince needed to establish the NWO as heels - this was
the only way to truely get the point across.

I kind of agree with you that the rock/nwo segment did go a little too far, but I think that McMahon is trying to show that the nWo will go to any limits to destroy everything in their path. For the rest of raw more considerably the HHH/angle match I thought the match itself and HHH winning is totally stupid cuz no. 1 contendorship at wrestlemania is supposed to be special, it's not meant to be passed around like the neighborhood . I'm also sure that kurt angle will get back in the main event and it will be a triple threat match.

As far as I am concerned... I thought it was great. I was really
dissapointed at No Way Out when all they did was attack Austin... that was
not the NWO of the past. Like when they used to powerbomb Eric Bishoiff
when he was an announcer... off the stage and through tables. The Rock
being hit by a tractor trailer... WAS GENIUS!!! And if parents are mad
about it... what the hell are your kids doing up past 10 anyways???
Especially on a school night?? Anyone that was up past 10...is old enough
to realalize that it was fake and a set up. Besides, to all you ROCK fans...
if it wasn't for your idol going off to do movies instead of doing what he
signs million of dollars to do, they wouldn't put him in angles like this
where he won't show for days or weeks.

I applaude Vince and the WWF writting team for this idea... it brought back
the true NWO... made the WWF raitings go up... and made parents realize that
children shouldn't be up after 10.

it went too far, if they really are gonna bring him back in four
weeks........if wrestlemania was 8 weeks away then that would be more
believable for the time rockl would need to heel.

This Raw was probably the best one in a while. The nWo sure knows how to make
an impact on a wrestling program.

In my opinion, I don't think the Rock/nWo segment went too far. We all know
The Rock is fine, and the WWF needs to do a lot to get their ratings back up.
I'm sure Smackdown! is going to get high ratings after fans see what happened
last night.

The only problem I had with Raw is the Godfather match. Get rid of him, I
say. His gimmick has run it's course, and pretty much no one likes him. Just
a time waster I guess.

Great show, and let's hope Smackdown! is just as good!

I personally feel it didn't go to far cause I have seen in the past in the wwf austin destroy vehicles with supposedly someone in them, I've seen the big show topple a vehicle over the edge of something onto something else that supposedly had a guy in it. So this is really nothing new to the WWF. The only difference is the announcers tried to portray it as being real and not part of the storylines. Instead of acting all overly disgusted or overly in suport of it they both acted like they didn't know what the hell ws going on. And of course you know they did, it's all part of the storyline. I personally felt it was a great storlyine. This gives rock his time off to do other stuff like promotion for the scorpion king, possibly any interviews for other stuff the wwf has for him. And also maybe and hopefully time to refresh his character and finally get some new catch phrases and lose the crappy ones he has had for so long that are getting quite boring now, imo. I personally feel that since their are a lot of rumors about who will join the nWo. Maybe they are gonna do some angle off this with the Rock joining them. Who knows.. there is no way this went to far when almost the exact same stuff in diff variations and possibly worse have happened in the past with Austin, Rock, and Triple H.

i thought it was just what the wwf needed to get Hogan & company over. That
was a great display of how to bring a "new" heel into the fed and have the
fans believe it and now we'll see Rocky and Hulk at WM. i love it

Definately not, how can you say it went to far? You should know that the rock wasn't even in there when it got hit, they snuck him out the back. That was one of the best segments I have ever seen from the WWF, it showed "poisonous" the nWo is.

I think the nwo angle was lame, i mean not only was it too far fetched but
it is starting to replay itself as the old nwo stuff of wcw. I mean coming
out every night 3 on 1, beating someone up, spray painting them, and then
doing more damage. Are we going to see this every night, cause if so i'm
turning it off quick-it's getting too predictable.

Best TV I've ever seen I laughed my ass off through the whole thing

No, they didn't go too far. That was a classic nWo bit. It was obvious
that the Rock got out of the ambulance off-camera, so now he can play up the
"injury", take off the next month to finish filming Scorpion King and come
back at WrestleMania. It was the best bit the WWF has had on since Stone
Cold and Booker went grocery shopping.

I personally think that the WWF went a little over edge with the angle. It really took away from the remainder of the show. It shows when the GodFather came out with the Ladies and they weren't too interested in the match between him and Booker T and every match after that seemed to have lost the fans interest where they were too interesterd in what was taking place in the back with the Rock's situation. I think it was a poor rating's preformance and it probably will show when the ratings come out. I'm not saying that I don't like the angle the NWO is back, but if you go back to the WCW days were they invaded there, look at how big of a difference they made coming in one at a time compared to the way things are now... They've seemed to have lost a lot of excitement in the way they fued.. Maybe it's just I'm still a loyal WCW fan and I was just expecting something a little different, but I would've done the whole NWO thing a lot different from the way that it's going down right now....

Hey yo!

First, just wanted to send some praise your way on the sweet site. I have
used your site for solid news for the past 3-4 years. keep up the solid
work.

Now the rant, 1st my side of the argument is pro nWo. Little history: I
took a long hiatus (5-7 years) from following wrestling until a friend
invited me over to chug beer and watch a wcw ppv back in 97 or so. When I
saw Hall, Nash and Hogan spray paint Sting and a few others I was addicted
to the wrestling drug all over again. 8) Good stuff!!

Anywho, once wcw fell apart, I lost all interest in watching wrestling once
again and my wife had control of the tv again on Monday nights (if no
football) and all was good in her world. Im not anti-WWF but alot of the
wrestlers just dont appeal to me and I always felt that WCW (nWo years)
had more of a blue-collar fell anyway but that's another rant.

Ok, now the rant. I think the nWo angle is being played right. WWF had to
introduce these guy and try to push them as major heals by having them
attack the big stars. I think in the up coming weeks the stars (Austin,
Rock) will get their revenge and justice will prevail (boo!). The whole
ambulance scene was silly and unless you live under a "rock" you know that
the people's champ was going to take time off to pushing his upcoming movie.
Hence, the nWo provided
a solution and come off as major heels. McMahon killed two birds with one
stone.

Was the whole scene overboard? Sure, but it wasn't any worse then the
corporation/undertaker days when Undertaker would try to sacrifice Stephanie
McMahon.

Keep up the great work on the site!

No, this is the way it should be. It reminded me of the great days of the
WCW/nWo when they ruled the wrestling Monday nights. I stopped watching
wrestling after the WCW left. I am now watching again. For one reason.
Hogan/Hall/Nash - and the N.W.O.

2 more things I would like to say. Big Poppa Pump is the only true nWo
member. He never quit. He was 4-life.

And with the return of Hogan. Is his Mark - Beefcake soon to come along as
well ?

First of all I think the whole ambulence scene was way over done. A good
beating would have been convincing enough, a hammer to the back of the
neck, plus the way JR sold it was great, but then in old WCW fashion they
had to go overboard, and it dragged on way too long. It took away from the
other matches, typical NWO/WCW style. I hope this is not a sign of things
to come. I really enjoyed the Rock/Hogan segment, it was close to being a
classic moment as it comes. One thing, they fabricated the whole thing by
literally announcing that is was a moment. JR reiterated that point over
and over, just let the moment be the moment and not try to sell it. Let it
be what it is going to be. Let the fans decide, don't decide for us. I
was hoping to see more of Austin that night I guess he needed the night off
early so they had him get arrested. I hope the Flair vs. Undertaker angle
does not happen but I know it will. Flair was right by saying maybe ten
years ago. Maybe even five years ago, but not now.

No i though that after making the NWO look like pussy's a no way out it was
what they had to do I think it makes the show fresh and strong again since
the news that the nwo was coming back was released the shows have all been
strong from start to finish i'm not saying that it's because of hall nash and
hogan but in response from the guys in the back who are worried about there
jobs now but i think that the creative team has really got a bit of the
stress off them now and are feeling better about the future and it shows now.

Finally, it was a RAW episode that was full of emotions and excitement
especially the ROCK and HOGAN confrontation. Damn, the crowd was
really wild. I can't believe it, HOGAN still has a lot of fans. The
WWF did a right thing in getting him back and at least give him the
best way to go out into the sunset with a BANG! I bet he will become a
face in the long run...just read his interview. Regarding the Rock
attack..it was great...at least they really made it gruesome to give
get some excuse when Rock will leave the WWF to do his Scorpion King
promo...I hope on one episode though that Rocky comes and cut a promo
in his Scorpion King get up. That would be cool.... The NWO is back
with a vengeance baby....next the 4 horsemen.........Mr. Perfect (?),
RVD(?), Kane(?) and Benoit(?).....cool! I don't see the reason for the
Angle-HHH match. HHH wins rumble, loses his shot and then gets it back
again.....make HHH a heel, he is better this way!!!!! Best, make HHH
join NWO and HBK return.....

You know, that was a good show. Even my 5 year old who has been a Nash fan
since he could say the words "Wolfpac in da house" told me after watching
the beating of Rock that he hates Kevin Nash and loves Rock.
Not since Nitro in its heyday have I felt so glued to the TV. No Way Out was
a piece of Hulka crap(gotta love that line) but Raw tonight was a step in
the right direction. However, if they job Hogan out to Rock just because, I
will never watch WWF again. Hogan showed he can be as over as the biggest
star today and hold his own. Hogan HAS to win at WMX8. nWo has never been
better.
Other thoughts...
Having Austin arrested seemed thrown together and predictable, maybe have
the nWo lay him out again and do a strecther job along with Rock and then
we're talking. I hate those kind of things but it served its purpose I
guess.
Still too much Stephanie, when will they get a clue and get rid of her on
air?
Christian and Storm vs. the Hardys was ok, served no purpose, but it was
the nWo's night.
Why hasnt Flair shown any interest in what the nWo is doing? I swear if
they pull the swerve and align Flair with the nWo, thus giving us back the
"Dirtiest player in the game" I will drive to Conn and kiss Vinny Mac on the
mouth. That would be great.
No Vince on camera, always a good thing...
The Undertaker and Flair could be interesting, but only if UT does the JOB.
Flair now is beter then the UT ever.
Mr Perfect and Kane? WTF? Why do I want to see that?
Goldust/Regal vs. RVD/Edge, I think its good to have feuds that are
starting to last longer and if they can somehow give us RVD vs. Edge @ WMX8
for the IC title through all this thats a plus.
Finally Booker isnt a joke, even if it was against the not so talented or
not so over anymore Godfather, at least it was a clean win.
HHH vs Angle.. I called this last night as soon as the PPV was over. What
they need to do with it though is have Jericho win at WMX8 if they do (See
the part about driving to Conn) but lets see a show of hands, who thinks
Jericho retains at mania? My point exactly...
Overall I would give Raw tonight a Thumbs up minus for the Mr Perfect/Kane
and Booker "only" getting a clean win over someone like Godfather.

The Rock segment definitely went too far. By going so far with the angle it ruined the possibility of it being believable. It went to the point of being lame and over done. As far as Raw goes with the exception of a few good matches, I think the promos were over done, making the show less than spectacular. The nWo angle needs to be used differently than it was four years ago. There is no need to use it the same way since there is no competition.

Frankly, as No Way Out went off of the air on Sunday night, I was pissed.
The opening segment featuring Hogan, Nash, and Hall, could have been truly
worth it. If they were to deliver the same promos asking for a "chance" from
the WWF Superstars and the fans, only to cause chaos match after match during
the Pay Per View.....or even just inserting the Outsiders into the Tag Team
Turmoil match.....or interfering in the Rock/Undertaker bout, I would have
been satisfied. But for all the buildup, to see the three founding members
of the NWO knocked down to the mat by Stone Cold alone.....was unsettling. I
understand that in order to fit into the company, the three would have to
face some semblance of humbling....but on their first night back in the
company...I just don't understand the reasoning. Not to mention that the
entirety of the Pay Per View was rife with missed spots, matches that seemed
to go on forever, and three....count em.....three knocked out referees in the
three main events.....the NWO could have made me forget about all of it.
That show should have ended with the three standing over the fallen Stone
Cold, NWO spraypainted on his back, and every person in the arena standing
and cursing the names of Hogan, Hall, and Nash. I have to admit, as the show
came to an end, I couldn't help but think if the WWF had botched the NWO the
same way they botched the Invasion this past summer. Moving on to Raw.

I had low expectations, but knew that if they were going to hold onto the
casual wrestling fans that tuned into the pay per view or the next night's
raw, they would have to about face. The 20-minute opening segment between
Stone Cold and Angle was ridiculous...and the time could have been used more
wisely on MIA wrestlers like The Hurricane, Big Show, or even the
Cinderella-story tag champs, Spike and Tazz. Like the Pay Per View, the
wrestling aspect of Raw saw way too many f--- ups by the performers. Then
out came the immortal Hogan. This part of the telecast was above average,
even though the ROCK of all people seems to be having trouble remembering his
lines these days. When Hogan was Rock Bottomed.....I thought we had seen the
NWO taken down yet another notch. As Rock left up the ramp, I pondered how
long it would be until Virgil would once again be wearing the NWO black and
white. Out come the Outsiders......and then the hammer.......and then the
ambulance. Did they go too far? Yes. Did they need to? Yes. Too much
stock was taken into this entire storyline for the NWO to look like a bunch
of p------. To continue on this track....the NWO needs to have the fans
absolutely loathe them. Which leads me to the question......why was Vince
not at their side?

To sum it all up.....No Way Out was a travesty.....Raw helped the WWF start
to make up for it.

And looking forward to the future...how will Hogan and Rock end their match
at Wrestlemania? I don't think the match will end.....for three reasons.

1. Big
2. Poppa
3. Pump

Finally RAW has come back to be entertaining!!!

Jerky this is what made WWF beat WCW ratings and made WWF the better product you assclown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me tell you something brother Hogan better pass the torch to every WWF superstar before he get's to old to walk to the ring. PERIOD

See, we all know it's scripted, but we still love it. It's fun; it's our
getaway from the real world. But I don't like it when they have an angle
like that go that far, because they're basicaly throwing it in my face that
it's not real. What I mean is that if something like that ever did happen
in the parking lot tonight it would be all over the news, and everyone
including non-wrestling fans would be talking about it. Not to mention the
fact that what happened was a criminal act caught on tape; one that would be
taken about as serious as a heart attack by law enforcement. If they do
work the nWo facing charges into the story it will be short lived. Lou
Albano's shock therapy face turn in the eighties was more believable.

Why heck no it didnt. Im sorry, but am i the only one that realized how
crappy and stale the wwf had been for the past year and a half, and finally
tonight on raw, i actually stayed glued to the TV for the whole show, the
Rock/nWo angle tonight was historic and great in my book. Had to be a huge
ratings boost, this is what i enjoy seeing and have wanted to see since 1996.
The nWo in the WWF equals great matches and great storyline. Got to admit
some wrestling fans dreams came true tonight, for me seeing Hogan back is the
greatest thing to ever happen.

No.....I don't think so. I'm a big Rock fan, but I'd rather see him get the
crap beat out of him rather than see Mae Young's sagging breasts. I still
have nightmares about that. It's difficult to believe that the billionaire
owner and CEO of a Fortune 500 company had a revalation one night about
showing a 70 something year old woman's sagging boobies on TV. I know they
were fake, but GAWD!!!!!! That's a bit off of the subject, but it was
simply a comparison. The nWo are definitely going to get over bigtime as
heels after this, but it remains to be seen what happens over time. One of
the reasons so many people switched off WCW was that the same damn thing
happened every night. Every episode ended with an nWo beatdown and Hogan
spraypainting someone's back. They never got theirs. Let's hope Vince
doesn't make the same mistake. But you can't put anything past Vinny Mac.
I mean, hey, he DID bring back Goldust.......

No, I don't feel the NWO angle went too far. That is what the NWO does, it
destroys it's enemies. At first I got worried about how the WWF would deal
with the NWO story, especially after the rockbottom on Hogan. But when
Hall and Nash showed up and with the help of Hollywood, put the Rock in his
place I was satisfied. The ambulance scene I thought was very good at
bringing back how the old NWO worked.

WWF is committing PPV suicide by having Jericho involved with the Main Event. Jericho is just not a credible opponent. Watching A little punk like Jericho "beat'" physical specimens such as Steve Austin, the Rock or anyone except Spike Dudley is like imagining a midget field-goal kicker man-handling linebackers or defensive linemen in the NFL...JUST NOT BELIEVABLE!!!! I am not dumb I know it is all an act but the show should be at least a little believable!

If anyone thinks that went to far they ought to stop watching wrestling.
The NWO is the greatest angle of all time, one of their roles in wrestling is that they stop at pretty much nothing. Please let me know if someone honestly believes that the Rock was really in that destroyed meat wagon.
*LLLLOOOLLLLL*

I dont think they took it too far. This angle has been the most interesting thing to happen in wrestling for a while and I think they are doing a good job of putting the nWo over as the top heels in the business. I didnt expect them to take it that far and that is good cause I am sick of seeing everything that I expect to see. Wrestling needs an exciting storyline such as this one.

Did it too far? Hell No!!!!!! They should have threw the Crock off a
goddamn cliff.

hey Raw was good as alawys in my kind of town Chicago.... sorry I'm from
there. The crowd was hot the whole night, as all the chicago fans alawys are.
The angle with the Ambulance was stupid they should of left it with the 3
finishers, only reason they had him get "crushed" in the ambulance was
beacuse the nWo is so popular. Although true nWo fans will stick with them
because when u are nWo u are nWo for life:) I also hope that Lance bein on
Raw wasn't a one time occurance they should have him on more often.

Well my with Raw is that after the NWO hit the Ambulance with
truck and how serious the announcers acted it reminded of what happend with
Owen. And kind of made their emotions from that night fake like they can
turn on the sad faces time they want. They were acting so serious actually
that they almost convinced me that something really happend. So yeah did
they over do it, even the hammer in the back of the head was over doing it
too actually. I think to get the NWO more over as a threat they need to
cause more hell period but without going as far as they did tonight. Need
attacks backstage and stuff like that too. They need to take over the show
like they did on Nitro awhile after X-Pac/Syxx arrived. They need to wrestle
before Wrestle Mania too, maybe not Hogan but at least the Outsiders should
have a few tag matches before hand.

Well anyway Raw was an alright show, Kane and Hennig put
on a good match as well did HHH and Angle eventhough that after making the
Royal Rumble win by HHH pointless they made Angle's win lastnight pointless
too. Plus if just ordered the ppv to see HHH vs Angle you got sort of got
ripped off the way I see it. It was a good show anyway, the rock/hogan
comfrontation was great but the first NWO attack was more than enough
already.

I thought that the angle with The Rock and the NWO went too far, but at the same timeit was predictable, that the Rock would get hurt. I could've sworn that Rock ran out the side and you could see him in the back when all those ambulance guys got out of the ambulance..I don't know for sure though cause I didn't record it...Everyone knows that the Rock needs time off for his movie, but a semi hitting an ambulance, it went too far and it was lame....Raw started off hilarious Austin gets funnier every week, and I was psyched to see the Hardy's and Lita back..it's about time...I can't wait to see what they say the Rocks "injuries" are on Smackdown...They should really give their viewers more credit, it was a lil too obvious.

no it did not go too far... the nWo ran over sid with a moster truck when he was in a car. Jericho smashed Chyna's hand with a hammer, Mark Henry got a blow job on the titantron... in my view that was the best segment raw has ever had... not to mention the funniest... I also found it funny how Hall got the biggest pop of the night as he set the rock up for the outsiders edge... one minute they are cheering for the rock the next minute they are egging on the nWo to beat the living crap out of him and have art class on him. Finally the Rock was humiliated badly... That was the best raw the WWF ever put together. the nWo is what made wrestling what it is today.. it made it popular.. it made its 6.0 and 7.0 ratings. and tonight we saw why.

Hey!

This is Jamal from NC. I never really participate in activities like the rantbag, but for this.. I can't refuse.

HELL NO the WWF didn't go too far. Trust me. Once you see Stone Cold Steve Austin cruicified on national TV.. you can't go any further. Plus, I thought the WWF would screw up the nWo monster heel image and water them down.. I was wrong.

They took their crown jewel and DESTROYED him tonight. It was and will be.. my fondest Raw Moment of all time. (I can't stand the Rock)

Thanks for your time!

no, nothing is too far ith the nWo. im so happy the rock finally got what he
deserved....nWo spraypainted on his back! nWo 4-Life!

Ps. that was the best raw i haver ever seen.... not to mention the funnyest
ever